and then i heard about lance armstrong, and i thought not him as well. so he was guilty. he did cheat the whole time. nothing is right about that. >> right. and look, a lot of people say everybody in that sport is doing that. i don't know. i don't bike. i'm not going to ever run the tour de france. but you feel badly that there is so much pressure that everybody feels if the other guy is doing it, i have to do it. >> i hate it for my children. have i three teenaged boys. all play sport, love sport, very competitive. i don't want them thinking the way to win is cheating. >> but you know what? i don't think they see that. i don't think our kids do. i think they see what we want, what we put out. if as a parent you espouse fair play and honesty, in not just sport, but your life, i think that's what they see. you know, look, i think lance armstrong and all those, any big sports person, sure they like to look at, they like to go see. but i think at the end of the day, they care more about what you think and what you do than what a lance armstrong or a barry bonds does. >> that